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28th Jan 2025

What if Executive Dysfunction isn't actually real?

Well — it's been a while hasn't it.

Annd... I'm starting this season off with a bit of a doozy.

Are we all a slave to a disobedient controller'?

Or is the idea that our brains are dysfunctional actually causing more harm? I discuss an alternative approaches to addressing the real struggles associated with executive functioning.

Based on What if Executive Dysfunction isn't actually real from my Substack.

Episode Link: https://simplicityspecialist.captivate.fm/episode/what-if-executive-dysfunction-isnt-actually-real

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Amelia:

What if executive functioning and executive dysfunction isn't actually real?

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As someone who works in the neurodiverse,

ADHD, audio HD, and autistic spaces,

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I hear a lot of talk around executive

functioning and dysfunctioning.

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The idea that there is this disobedient

controller that stops people from

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doing the things that they want to do.

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Although the issues and the

problems and the struggles are

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real, is the controller real?

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I'm not entirely sure it is.

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Today, I'm going to talk about why

and how actually this idea seems to

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be doing more harm than good, and

what we can do about the struggles

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that really do exist instead.

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Now, executive dysfunction stems from

a model of the brain that assumes we

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have a mental CEO, a central executive

system, calling the shots accept, even

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as early as 1996, cognitive scientists

called it a conceptual ragbag.

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A placeholder term for something we

didn't, and even now, still don't

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fully understand; especially As

the ideas that we're talking about

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so much now are all still based

on one idea of how things work.

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So, this raises a big question if

executive dysfunction is based on

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a placeholder, is there a better

way to understand what the heck

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is actually going on for us?

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The simple answer, yes, it is

called Ecological Psychology.

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You'll find a link in the description,

which takes you to a page where I

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talk a little bit more and dive in.

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It's not about an internal controller

telling you how to act it's a signal,

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that disconnect between the information

that you're perceiving and the

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action that you're trying to take.

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Now, let's take a look at some common

problems that are normally attributed to

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executive dysfunction and see how we can

Maybe reframe or shift or move it away

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from a naughty mental CEO to something

that we can do something about - with as

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few mental gymnastics as possible because

goodness me, there are so many mental

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gymnastics that we have to do as it is.

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Doing the laundry

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You're staring at a pile of laundry

knowing it needs to be done, but it feels

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absolutely impossible You don't know

where to begin, it's just piling up,

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it's overwhelming, so it just sits there.

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Eventually, after a couple of

days, a couple of weeks, a couple

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of months, you get around to it.

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How?

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This is such a common issue

and thing that I experience.

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Did the conceptual ragbag suddenly

decide to give you a moment of respite?

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Why then?

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And not when you wanted to do

it or felt you needed to do it?

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Was it sheer willpower?

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But if it is sheer willpower.

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Why does it work sometimes and not others?

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Let's rewind.

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As you look at that massive pile of

laundry: do you even know where to begin?

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No.

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But when you managed to do it,

did you find a way to start?

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Yes.

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So what's changed?

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For me, it is usually groaning and saying

I don't care how I get this done, I

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just need to get this basket of washing

out of my way so I can do something

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else something I actually care about.

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If I take the dry laundry upstairs,

I'll be able to walk through

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my kitchen without tripping.

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Also, I won't have to come downstairs

in the freezing cold in the

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morning to find clothes to put on.

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I see possibilities for action, things I

actually cared about doing, and I did it.

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Let's look at another example.

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Too many hobbies that

you don't do anymore.

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When I work with clients, they often

mention their hobby bin, a collection of

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hobbies or variations or different bits

and pieces they were once excited about

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but quickly abandoned for something new.

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If you're a business owner, that

might also extend to tech tools.

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AppSumo is the hobby bin of tech tools.

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The ones you might

eagerly adopt, then drop.

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It's quite easy to blame the conceptual

ragbag for stopping you, forgetting

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about it, or even just killing your joy.

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However, my first question,

when this topic comes up is:

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Do you actually want to do this hobby

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The responses usually fall into two camps.

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Either: Yes, but I completely forget

about it and then I feel guilty, etc, etc.

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Or: No, but I spent so much money on

it, time on it, X on it, Y on it, that

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I feel like I have to keep doing it.

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So let's start with Camp 2.

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If you don't want to do it anymore, don't.

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Unlike laundry, a hobby is

something you do that you enjoy.

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It doesn't have to be something

that you don't really want to do.

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Okay, I hear you say,

but what about sunk cost?

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That one is something that happens

and I can experience it too.

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Here's a question to help:

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What opportunities did you

gain from this experience?

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At the very least, if nothing else,

you've learned something you don't enjoy.

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That insight matters.

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It deepens your understanding

of how you actually work, what

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energizes you, and what doesn't.

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This knowledge can ripple into other

areas of your life or business, and can

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even be used to help you do other things.

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So, what about camp one?

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If you started a hobby and you love

the hobby, but you forget it exists,

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It's a visibility problem.

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Perception and action are coupled.

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You see, hear, experience

something, you re act.

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As you do something, you

perceive something new.

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You see, for example, a crochet

hook tied to a ball of yarn and

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you see an opportunity to crochet.

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Now you can choose to do that

or you can choose to not.

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If you see a crochet hook and you

don't see yarn, the opportunity

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for action isn't crochet.

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It's find this ball of yarn.

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That means you end up jumping between

tasks or things that you're doing

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because you keep seeing different

affordances or opportunities for action.

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Visibility works both ways.

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You can constrain visibility so

you see less options or you can

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change the environment around

you to give more visibility so

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you perceive more opportunities.

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For example, if you want to do

more crochet, put the hook and

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the yarn together and put it

somewhere you can always see it.

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So when you're walking past, you

see it and go I want to do that.

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For me right now, I have my crochet

hook and my yarn all ready, ready

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to go, literally outside of my door.

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So as I walk back into my house,

I can see it and go: I kind

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of want to do that right now.

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Or yeah, I'm too tired now.

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Sometimes it's strong enough

that you'll go straight to it.

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Other times it won't.

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If something keeps drawing your

attention too much, maybe move

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it to a less visible place.

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If you want to do multiple hobbies,

then put them in two separate

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but equally visible places.

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These strategies, like placing hobbies

where you'll want to see them, work

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because they turn the problem into a

solvable puzzle, not a broken system

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you have to force yourself to fix

and that right there is the issue

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with the term executive dysfunction.

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Now, let me be very clear.

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These things that you're

struggling with are real.

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These are real struggles that

we experience every single day.

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The problem I have with using executive

dysfunction as the reason is we risk

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accepting a narrative about ourselves.

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That there is something wrong

with how we work within the world.

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And honestly, that just sucks.

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There is no solution here.

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There is no way that we can move

forward if it's just a mental

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CEO in our brain that we have to

juggle over, find a way around.

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We spend an awful lot of time having

to find our way around life as it is.

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Why do we do it with ourselves?

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Well, what if we didn't have to!?

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What if the information we need

to act and do the thing we want

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to do is already around waiting

for us to notice or perceive it?

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What if those struggles are signals?

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Instead, as failures of a

central executive, a thing

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that we can't even control.

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It doesn't dismiss the real issues.

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It doesn't say, you just can't

be bothered, you are just lazy.

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I have never met one lazy Quote

unquote, neurodiverse person in my life.

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It allows us to get curious

about the way we actually work.

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Instead of assuming that we work wrong

and trying to fix how we exist in the

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world that doesn't make much sense.

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It allows us to take back that control

over how we operate in the world.

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It allows us to find reasons to do the

damn thing that we want to actually

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do; to create our own solutions so we

can do, or not do, as many activities

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or hobbies and things as we like and

we can feel incredibly confident that

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what we're actually doing isn't the

result of some faulty programming,

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but just part of who we are.

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And frankly, as someone who's blind

in one eye, hard of hearing in the

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other, autistic, a little bit ADHD

and navigating life as a trans person

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in possibly the most challenging

time I could, I've learned one thing.

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There's always a solution.

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I've not met a neurodiverse person

who isn't good at solving problems.

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But often, The solution being given

to us is we aren't able to do it.

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Instead of waiting for a conceptual

ragbag to magically allow us to do

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things, it's about seeing what's

possible and making it easier for

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ourselves, something we often neglect.

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Unscripting Neurodiversity with Amelia Stewart
For individuals looking for solutions as unique as them.
If you find the normal advice on “just work in this way, and everything will be perfect” and you constantly get stuck in a cycle of trying to “fix your business” and no matter what you do it just doesn't feel quite right. This podcast is for you.

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Amelia Stewart

Everyone talks about Simplicity as the WAY to do things. If you do less things, you think about less things, and therefore you can use your time more effectively. But doing less things doesn’t always feel like an option, and sometimes it doesn’t need to be an option.

Simplicity isn’t the thing you need to do first, it’s the result of knowing how you work.

You can have multiple projects and still plan other things you’re excited about!!

I help over-thinkers like you actually do shit without making you feel bad about all your projects and ideas.

I run a business, whilst running 6 D&D campaigns, looking after two disabled children (with my partner who works full time), and I’m always wanting to do more.